Fighting tooth and nail to convince someone they are screwing up is not clingy. There has not been anything a marriage cannot bear if two people try. I know she's tried but I can tell she's not "all there" in our relationship. I catch her lying to me every week. Treating me badly is not a a way to save our marriage. If she feels backed in a corner from me trying to convince her to come back it's because she don't want to come back. Don't you think I know that? Do you think that I will listen to you when you betray our marriage? I call her and e-mail her to talk. It's none of your business. When you know everything about us it's because she shares it with a teenager. It makes me sick. You have this imaginary picture of yourself with your insight into the minds of people that is flawed. Love does conquer all... You don't have a clue what you would do if you loved someone as I do and they treated you like that. Good riddance to you and Joel. You are both out of my life forever.